Jesus in India? A movie on that?

Just saw it in today's newspaper, Deccan Herald, Page 11, Inquirer column. To be honest, I was irritated.

How many hoaxes do these western people create? The heading says "There is almost no doubt Jesus spent some time in India", and the article provides no proof of the above statement. The article is about a producer, Kent Walwin (never heard of his name till date, IMDb though provides me the details that he has produced 19 movies and has written two plays, though the article says that he has made around 70 films?!). Well and good.

This producer, is now interested in making his most important movie which would explore if Jesus Christ spent his mythical 18 missing years in India!!??

Let me list some of the rumours connecting Jesus and India.

1. Jesus visited India and Tibet, served as a student as well as a teacher here and then returned back to Nazareth.

2. Jesus's body is buried somewhere in India.

3. Jesus will take his re-birth again in India.

(These are the major ones I accustomed, there may be many more...)

Googling more on the key 'Jesus in India' would provide you more results. I dont want to list them here. do it if you're interested. By the search I conducted, you get mixed responses. Some say yes, many say no.

According to a site I visited, it says that in 1894, some Russian Nicolas Notovitch, visited India and Tibet, broke his leg which made him stay long here. During this period, he found ancient records about a St. Issa (who turns out to be Christ), who studied and taught people over there. He took a copy those records in his journal,  back to the West, as a proof to the expected controversy. It also says that it was also accepted by his skeptics... blah blah blah... Read the article if interested. It also calls him the Buddha.



Many other pages I visited (which deny the above statement) try to criticize Vedic philosophy on this topic rather than negating Jesus's visit to India.


Now, let me write my opinion on this.


Note:

1. I'm assuming that Jesus had existed, for some may argue on the contrary. I havent done much of research on that perspective. (Son of a virgin lady? One of my basic doubts... Sorry, I don't believe in miracles) But from the debate's perspective, lets assume he had existed.

2. I havent read the Bible but a few parts are brought to my notice, thanks to the Evangelists. I can't quote anything from it.


Of all the pages I read regarding this, they say that there were something called as missing years in Jesus's life. Since he was 13 till he completed 29, there is no record of where he was in those days.


If we consider him coming to India, that would have taken long. Coming all the way from Israel to India when you're 12 in those days where you didn't have flights? hmm! Assuming he had travelled that far. What made him travel? Why did he? For how he knew there was a country called India which is spiritually rich? (accepted by Mr. KW)


Okay, he came. They say, he learned what they called Indian philosophy, He became a teacher too. (Teaching Indian philosophy) Umm, Thats great. But didn't he teach something else back in Israel?


I know no details other than the above mentioned paragraph. Now the question thats hitting me is that after learning so much in India, why did he return back to Nazareth? Geographically if you consider, India, (Kashmir, Ladakh to be specific,) was a heaven when you consider Jerusalem. Okay let us assume, he wanted to teach what he had learnt here to his people over there. Again the same question, did he teach exactly Indian principles?


If he had visited, there should be some more documents referring him say like some pandit in a King's regime, some kind of Sthala Purana, anything. We see no major thing coz if it did existed, it should have been know by now due to the excavation conducted.




Here are some questions I'd like to ask.


1. Why did all of a sudden, people started linking Jesus to India?
2. What is the Pope's stand towards this?
3. What does the Bible say about the missing years as said by Kent Walwin?


My view for the above questions are as follows,


Christianity is suffering a blow in the West, specially in Europe by Islam as India is suffering from blows by both of these cemetic religions(Christianity & Islam) here in India.

People say that in near future, Europe will be named Eurabia as muslims are densly multiplyin in Europe. Due to the intrusion of Islam in Europe, the Christian leaders are trying to find new land for its new Vatican City and they're eyeing India as the prominent destination.


Thanks to the current Indian Politics, which is held by an Italian Lady, well supported by her two kids and the rubber stamp along with a heard of sheeps. Need more proof regarding this? What happened once Congress came to power in 2004? Evangelism was accelerated. Missionaries from all over the world started coming to India. You all remember that stupid Benny Hinn's visit to Bangalore at the Jakkur Aerodrome. Boy! what a mess it was?

Our government lauds the Pope who visits India, vows that he shall make India a complete Christian Nation. Duh! What a pity????



Missionaries started camping allover the country. Where else? At the base of Tirupati, thanks for the late converted Christian CM, YSR (remembering whom, the whole AP cries crocodile tears) Duh!


We were trekking in Nagamale, Male Mahadeshwara hills a year back, to find the hilly area evangelized to a great extent. Cel location indicator on my CellPhone was saying we're at 'Kristarajapuram' (imitating krishnarajapura?) while we were trekking, a few kids of age not crossing 10, came to us begging for money who refused the food we gave. They wanted money. We saw a cross around their necks. Thank evangelists. Hope you understood the whole situation.


They're trying to christianize India stepwise. Thats highly irritating. Don't they have care for us Indians? Doesnt it strike their mind that they're doing exactly the same as to what the muslims are doing to them in Europe?


We Vedics, have never gone abroad trying to evangelize. We dont believe in it. The west simply doesnt understand our philosophy. They need to grow up a lot. I pity them.


These intrusion of evangelists and missionaries is a further step in that path. Creating false communal issues by disrupting churches by their own people, blaming the Hindus for that is another step. Making this movie, is another step in that regard.

People are trying to eradicate Indian philosophy from the face of earth, but thanks to a lot in saving it.





I believe there will not be an end to the Sanatana Dharma by these meagre foreign creatures for it has faced more tougher situations in the past and is still existing.

Had more points. Will mention the relevant ones in the comments. Please have your say!

On Stabbing of Women.

Was just passing through Nrupatunga Road on Saturday to see a herd of people standing in front of the Police Commissioner's Office (kinda Dharani) to show disagreement on his part of duty to keep Bangalore safe for women. This herd consists majorly of what they call 'IT' people.

Some had banners like 'SAVE WOMEN' kinda thing. Also some posters like 'Save Earth, thats the only planet that has women.' Oh! Do you have other planets with male population?? I remembered that this was a protest for the recent stabbing of women in various parts of the city.

Have any time the male population staged a protest like this for males exclusive?

Women ask for equal rights everywhere. Some also ask special privileges under constitution.

See I'm not against women. I'm just unclear about some facts that women try to fight here.

If a person gets stabbed, be it a woman or a man, Everybody has a right to oppose that. But should the gender matter? Do they mean that no male is getting stabbed nowhere in the city? Why do they highlight only the female population?

I'm always against reservation. Let it be on whatever grounds. Be it gender, caste, creed, race whatever. Reservation for anything would just make the thing upside down. Who is on top today will come down and vice versa. Nothing better is achieved.

Do you want an instance? Check out our infamous constitution, which reserves for the rights of SC/ST, minority(?) people like muslims and christians. Nobody cares for the problems they pose today.

All the politicians are for it in the name of secularism. They say we're secular and attend all communions of all castes and religions just flattering them with good words. They attend the ijtemas of muslims, good news functions of christians, union function of Kamma jana and what not? Does it serve any purpose? Does it help in building what they call a secular India?

Likewise, reservation for women is foolishness. If they're capable, let they get an opportunity. Thats all I say.

There is a misconception that women are always downtrodden in the society. The so called secular people blame it on Hinduism and its ancient scriptures. They don't even talk a word on Christianity or Islam.

I've read scriptures which are based on the Vedas and the Upanishads wherein it is said that a woman, Gaargi attends a meeting held to discuss whether or not to give Brahmarshi status to Vishwamitra. Many women did exist in that meet, most of them wives of Rushis. Since Vedic period, women have been given equal importance as of man under what they call Hindu Culture. Many women did perform many yajnas and tapas.

Take Islam. They treat women so bad, wherein they treat women just as a baby producing machine as well as a machine which takes the chores of the kitchen. They're not supposed to leave home. Even if they did, they have to wear a burkha compulsarily.

Take Christianity. Have you seen a female pope? If you see the Christian history, as proven by Dan Brown, People from the church are in constant search for the merovengian blooded people and they tried to kill Mary Magdalene (So called wife of Jesus, a matter of conflict)

People might question me here that Hinduism also has weird customs like Sati prevalent even now. I tell you, this was never a custom documented in any scriptures. It just exists in some part of North India. May be their own belief. I havent dugg much into that. Will reserve a seperate post on that.

The same people who protest for 'Attack on Women' go to rave parties and pubs. I feel it so contradicting. Don't they need security there?

Feel free to comment.

Pubs, Discos & RSS, Sri Rama Sene, KaRaVe...

Currently whats the hot news in the state and the centre?

Nope! Its not the Mumbai Attacks but the attack on the pub culture by Sri Rama Sene in Mangalore.

Thanks for the stupid media in creating more hype towards this...

Personally If you ask me whether i'm for or against the pub culture? you know the answer better if you're a somewhat regular reader of my blog.

Its a clear 'NO'.

To write more on the pub culture, I might not be the right person coz I dont fall in that category of goin to pubs n discotheques. But this post is based on my experiences of interaction with those who follow it and support it. You've got a point, (I need not say it everytime) post a comment. Always welcome.

Expression for some, is to write out their thoughts, for some its singing, some its dancing... It varies among the people, but according to the Indian Constitution, everyone has got the right to express*.

Yes! There is a asterisk(*) which says conditions apply. The sole condition is that your fun, your expression should not be on someone else's cost. This is the only point I raise for this issue.

They've got better things to discuss in the parliament, but they elongate such petty issues wailing away their precious time. They can discuss about how to improve remote villages for their basic needs, about the power outage problems widely prevalent across the nation( I can go on and on...), but they never seem to take up such things. They're least bothered.

They're only concerned for a few people who were brutally battered for doing some stupid thing.

They were partying. Partying hard! Dancing for some great hip-hop songs with loud speakers, drinking, smoking...

Dont you think this will be a nuisance in the area? Wouldnt it increase the crime rates? People are concerned about those party-goers but are least bothered about the victims of accidents made by the same party animals. I'll just give the recent accident that happened. A person took his car drunk in Indiranagar hit three men and they died on spot. Tell me who is responsible for this?

Many such cases go un-noticed just for the reason that these party animals are highly influential. You can see the police taking the drivers license that day, the next day, you can see the same driver driving.

Okay! Forget the non-party-goers. I might have mentioned this point in some of my previous posts but it would add more weightage here too. How many affairs start and break up in such parties? People who have secret desires among their fellow colleagues do not hesitate to make it true in such parties by adding some tablet to the drink, making the victim numb and do whatever they want? Probability is very much high. There are many such instances.

Instances like a denied proposal, may make way for a murder. These people do anything when they're outa their mind. They dont care about the aftermath.

Anything can happen. Noticing this, the police have come up with a 11PM deadline and these partygoers conduct a rally opposing this. Strange thing is media is supporting such petty causes like anything.

I agree that 'Sri Rama Sene (SRS)' was a bit too violent in stopping the party that day, but do you think being sober would have worked? Never. They would hardly have listened to SRS. To stop such a thing, one has to be rude for a quick outcome. ( I agree in Gandhian principles, but it would take more time). Who would listen to the voice of the non party goers? Its only the common man who has to raise his voice amidst the roars of the highly influential people which would hardly ever been noticed.

I completely support SRS in this regard.

People might disagree with me in this respect, but I go by my words anytime. You've just seen the repeated video clips on media of SRS guys beatign the party girls black and blue. Have you seen how they party half (almost complete) naked? Does the media capture such videos?

One express your concern only for those who are beaten by SRS? Who will cry for those normal people who were hit by a drunkard party goer? Surprisingly none.

Finally, Partying(as the call it! Atleast what happened on that day) is not Indian Culture. One can see the transition, the west is getting easternized and the east westernized. Recently there aws a news, Two Russian couple got married in Udupi Sri Krishna Matha in totally vedic style. They even converted their names Keshidhama Das and Vrunda. They stand for the first transition and these party goers, stand for the latter transition.

Ending this post on the hope that there would be control on the pub culture.

What makes you vegitarian?

This post is the result of a discussion with two of my collegues.

Days of Salarpuria Soft Zone (SSZ). We used to go for a walk on the big terrace of Wing A of SSZ. Either we used to walk there or go down, walk till Bellandur.

We were walking one day on the terrace. Myself and Das, when even Bikas joined. Three of us were just discussing about something. Always the discussion starts from some small topic, may be a rubbish one.

Things rolled out to carbohydrates and proteins and from that to vegitarian and non vegitarian. One doesn't need a topic to start and stick on to it. It rolls on to something totally unrelated to the started topic and ends up in totally a different one.

Both of them were Non Vegitarians, NV for short. Discussion got heated up. Though I dont recollect the whole conversation, here are a few excerpts. One might find this discussion too immature or too irrelevant. Please put in your thoughts on it if possible.

B : What may be the reason for the brahmanas to not eat non-veg?
S : Tell me why they should?
B : To taste it. Its good to eat it.
S : Is it good to eat non veg by killing them?
D : Come on! don't give me that reason. The so called vegitarians are no better in killing. They kill plants.
S : (After thinking a while) Hey! You can't call it killing. They do not respond. They are relatively dumb. Its better to eat vegitables than killing an animal and eating it.
B : Killing is killing! Right??
S : Come on! Find the difference. Plants do not respond when you kill them.
B : How do animals respond?
S : They cry. Blood gushes outa their body.
D : FYI, plants do have their own kinda liquid for their growth. They do respond in all ways. Only thing is that they are immovable. Only difference between animals and plants is that animals can move but plants can't.
B : Plants do have life right? Don't you agree?
S : Yes I do. We Indians worship plants. We cut plants only for food only when it is necessary. We grow more plants than you breed animals for eating purposes. The degree of selfishness is less when compared among them.
D : Lemme give you another example for the response plants give. Play some heavy metal song continuously near the plant. It will die within a day or two. Play some Indian Classical music, You'll find it growing in a faster pace in a month or two.
S : All those facts I do agree. What I strongly oppose is the cruelity in killing an animal.
B : Killing a plant in that sense is more cruel. You are killing a helpless creature where as we are killing something which can help itself by running. There are chances where it can escape.
S : Somehow I don't buy the idea that killing plant is a crime. There should be a valid scientific reason behind preferring to have plants than animals.
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Went on and on and on...........

Meanwhile there are few theories which Ankur has pointed out in one of my posts' comments wherein people used to have meat (Beef) even in India. There might be proofs to it but I haven't verified it yet. Though there are also rumors that Hinduism bought the idea of vegitarianism from the Jainism. Dunno how true it is or how credible it is? ( Might be a story wound by jains to have an upper hand over Hinduism). There are some jains who don't even have vegitables like carrot, onions, potatoes( Those are roots ) so that it is eaten by earth (Enjalu in Kannada)

Just a few weeks back, an idea struck my mind which would have been the probable reason???!! Plants do not excrete something which is rejected by humans. They breathe out oxygen at day times and apart from that, I don't see anything rejected by plants. ( Don't tell me leaves n fruits).
When compared, animals do excrete. This might also be one of the major reason behind not having meat.

Regarding the killing of animals and plants, it is only a century before that we(Indians only) scientifically proved that Plants do have life in them. Though the ancient people would have known this, they used to worship plants( We get lots of evidence in puranas where people used to worship trees and plants). Even if we don't consider that ancients wouldn't have known this, we considered that plants do not have life and having them is no cruelity. (This point is just for justification purposes)

Do pour in your valuable comments on this topic while i find some other better topic soon.