If you're in ಬೆಂಗಳೂರು/Bangalore for the last week of August or the first week of September, and by your misfortune, you are bound to visit Shivajinagar/surrounding areas... I pity your condition.
Is St. Mary's feast celebrated the most in Bangalore?? I was baffled to find wikipedia's St. Mary's Bascilica, Bangalore link among the top three while I googled for St. Mary's feast. Confused, I searched in google.co.uk as well to make sure that location preferences are avoided. Still I find the same result.
What we call Bowring Church, actually St. Mary's Bascilica, the oldest church in Bangalore, located just opposite to Shivajinagar bus stand, is the source of chaos.
In short, this St. Mary's feast, is the celebration of virgin mother of Jesus, Mary (who got sainthood just because she gave birth to the messenger as a virgin??!). Did she take long to take birth (15 days of celebration)?? I don't see Christmas celebrated that long; atleast here in Bangalore.
According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, St. Mary's feast celebrations started almost more than 600 years after her birth. Why did it take so long for them to celebrate? Mary's birthday is still unknown but they celebrate it on September 8th of the Gregorian calendar. There is no solid proof that it falls on September 8th.
To my misfortune, I've been to Shivajinagar during this season almost every year since a minimum of 8 years. Its getting worse year by year. The worst I experienced was today, when buses from Balekundri Circle (Indian Express) to Shivajinagar on the Meenakshi Koil Street was blocked in the morning. So every bus from Indian Express were detoured to BRV ground and reached Shivajinagar via the Central street. I calmed myself saying 'Fuhget it! This is gonna get over this week' but while coming back from Domlur to Shivajinagar, no matter how many alternative routes taken by the bus, I had to wait 1.5 hours to reach Commerical Street. All buses denied to go to Shivajinagar. Let alone buses, no vehicles. After a 10 minute walk to Shivajinagar, I was shocked to see Shivajinagar Bus Stand completely occupied by these people. How can they use it?? Never have I seen such a thing before.
Not a single bus in the vicinity of Shivajinagar. I walked past the Meenakshi Koil Street towards Balekundri Circle passing by tens of beggars pleading alms on my way.
Not all agree walking from Commercial Street to Indian Express like me. Its irritating to most of them. Even the policemen couldnt control the situation. All I recollect such a thing happening was a year and half back when our infamous Devegowda called for a jana jaagruti samavesha at palace grounds affecting people commuting in the vicinity of Palace Grounds.
One more thing I need to mention here is that majority (more than 95%) of people attending this feast were Tamilians. I felt like I was in some busy town of Tamil Nadu while I walked past them. All black faces, in strikingly irritating orange uniforms (not to discriminate but to explain the fact). Was totally bugged up by their celebrations. Never have I seen Christians whom I know talk about St. Mary's feast; neither any other church celebrating it other than St. Mary's Bascilica.
I've seen Karaga/Ganesha festival being celebrated all over Bangalore but never is it this troublesome. Its distributed all over and not concentrated in one location. Blocking one of the major business zones completely for days together for some festival is irritating to many. And this St. Mary's feast started some 10 years ago I feel. Nowhere I saw it getting celebrated in my childhood.
I'd like to recall when the first person who tried to evangelize me, telling that 'truly speaking, there is no festival in Christianity; its a sin for a christian to celebrate any festival; hard core christians don't even celebrate Christmas you know... blah blah blah.' Now what is this feast considered to be??
I personally feel this is another method towards their evangelism strategy. To hell with them.
I like to give one message to those who celebrate this feast. If you want to celebrate, celebrate it in a distributed fashion and not concentrating near Shivajinagar. Its annoying to many who live in the city. First of all, get to know whether this can be celebrated after all (as your bishops, clergymen whosoever is concerned...)
Please do not try to play with the sanity of the city.
OVER N OUT.
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Wednesday, September 08, 2010
Friday, November 27, 2009
Jesus in India? A movie on that?
Just saw it in today's newspaper, Deccan Herald, Page 11, Inquirer column. To be honest, I was irritated.
How many hoaxes do these western people create? The heading says "There is almost no doubt Jesus spent some time in India", and the article provides no proof of the above statement. The article is about a producer, Kent Walwin (never heard of his name till date, IMDb though provides me the details that he has produced 19 movies and has written two plays, though the article says that he has made around 70 films?!). Well and good.
This producer, is now interested in making his most important movie which would explore if Jesus Christ spent his mythical 18 missing years in India!!??
Let me list some of the rumours connecting Jesus and India.
1. Jesus visited India and Tibet, served as a student as well as a teacher here and then returned back to Nazareth.
2. Jesus's body is buried somewhere in India.
3. Jesus will take his re-birth again in India.
(These are the major ones I accustomed, there may be many more...)
Googling more on the key 'Jesus in India' would provide you more results. I dont want to list them here. do it if you're interested. By the search I conducted, you get mixed responses. Some say yes, many say no.
According to a site I visited, it says that in 1894, some Russian Nicolas Notovitch, visited India and Tibet, broke his leg which made him stay long here. During this period, he found ancient records about a St. Issa (who turns out to be Christ), who studied and taught people over there. He took a copy those records in his journal, back to the West, as a proof to the expected controversy. It also says that it was also accepted by his skeptics... blah blah blah... Read the article if interested. It also calls him the Buddha.
Many other pages I visited (which deny the above statement) try to criticize Vedic philosophy on this topic rather than negating Jesus's visit to India.
Now, let me write my opinion on this.
Note:
1. I'm assuming that Jesus had existed, for some may argue on the contrary. I havent done much of research on that perspective. (Son of a virgin lady? One of my basic doubts... Sorry, I don't believe in miracles) But from the debate's perspective, lets assume he had existed.
2. I havent read the Bible but a few parts are brought to my notice, thanks to the Evangelists. I can't quote anything from it.
Of all the pages I read regarding this, they say that there were something called as missing years in Jesus's life. Since he was 13 till he completed 29, there is no record of where he was in those days.
If we consider him coming to India, that would have taken long. Coming all the way from Israel to India when you're 12 in those days where you didn't have flights? hmm! Assuming he had travelled that far. What made him travel? Why did he? For how he knew there was a country called India which is spiritually rich? (accepted by Mr. KW)
Okay, he came. They say, he learned what they called Indian philosophy, He became a teacher too. (Teaching Indian philosophy) Umm, Thats great. But didn't he teach something else back in Israel?
I know no details other than the above mentioned paragraph. Now the question thats hitting me is that after learning so much in India, why did he return back to Nazareth? Geographically if you consider, India, (Kashmir, Ladakh to be specific,) was a heaven when you consider Jerusalem. Okay let us assume, he wanted to teach what he had learnt here to his people over there. Again the same question, did he teach exactly Indian principles?
If he had visited, there should be some more documents referring him say like some pandit in a King's regime, some kind of Sthala Purana, anything. We see no major thing coz if it did existed, it should have been know by now due to the excavation conducted.
Here are some questions I'd like to ask.
1. Why did all of a sudden, people started linking Jesus to India?
2. What is the Pope's stand towards this?
3. What does the Bible say about the missing years as said by Kent Walwin?
My view for the above questions are as follows,
Christianity is suffering a blow in the West, specially in Europe by Islam as India is suffering from blows by both of these cemetic religions(Christianity & Islam) here in India.
People say that in near future, Europe will be named Eurabia as muslims are densly multiplyin in Europe. Due to the intrusion of Islam in Europe, the Christian leaders are trying to find new land for its new Vatican City and they're eyeing India as the prominent destination.
Thanks to the current Indian Politics, which is held by an Italian Lady, well supported by her two kids and the rubber stamp along with a heard of sheeps. Need more proof regarding this? What happened once Congress came to power in 2004? Evangelism was accelerated. Missionaries from all over the world started coming to India. You all remember that stupid Benny Hinn's visit to Bangalore at the Jakkur Aerodrome. Boy! what a mess it was?
Our government lauds the Pope who visits India, vows that he shall make India a complete Christian Nation. Duh! What a pity????
Missionaries started camping allover the country. Where else? At the base of Tirupati, thanks for the late converted Christian CM, YSR (remembering whom, the whole AP cries crocodile tears) Duh!
We were trekking in Nagamale, Male Mahadeshwara hills a year back, to find the hilly area evangelized to a great extent. Cel location indicator on my CellPhone was saying we're at 'Kristarajapuram' (imitating krishnarajapura?) while we were trekking, a few kids of age not crossing 10, came to us begging for money who refused the food we gave. They wanted money. We saw a cross around their necks. Thank evangelists. Hope you understood the whole situation.
They're trying to christianize India stepwise. Thats highly irritating. Don't they have care for us Indians? Doesnt it strike their mind that they're doing exactly the same as to what the muslims are doing to them in Europe?
We Vedics, have never gone abroad trying to evangelize. We dont believe in it. The west simply doesnt understand our philosophy. They need to grow up a lot. I pity them.
These intrusion of evangelists and missionaries is a further step in that path. Creating false communal issues by disrupting churches by their own people, blaming the Hindus for that is another step. Making this movie, is another step in that regard.
People are trying to eradicate Indian philosophy from the face of earth, but thanks to a lot in saving it.
I believe there will not be an end to the Sanatana Dharma by these meagre foreign creatures for it has faced more tougher situations in the past and is still existing.
Had more points. Will mention the relevant ones in the comments. Please have your say!
How many hoaxes do these western people create? The heading says "There is almost no doubt Jesus spent some time in India", and the article provides no proof of the above statement. The article is about a producer, Kent Walwin (never heard of his name till date, IMDb though provides me the details that he has produced 19 movies and has written two plays, though the article says that he has made around 70 films?!). Well and good.
This producer, is now interested in making his most important movie which would explore if Jesus Christ spent his mythical 18 missing years in India!!??
Let me list some of the rumours connecting Jesus and India.
1. Jesus visited India and Tibet, served as a student as well as a teacher here and then returned back to Nazareth.
2. Jesus's body is buried somewhere in India.
3. Jesus will take his re-birth again in India.
(These are the major ones I accustomed, there may be many more...)
Googling more on the key 'Jesus in India' would provide you more results. I dont want to list them here. do it if you're interested. By the search I conducted, you get mixed responses. Some say yes, many say no.
According to a site I visited, it says that in 1894, some Russian Nicolas Notovitch, visited India and Tibet, broke his leg which made him stay long here. During this period, he found ancient records about a St. Issa (who turns out to be Christ), who studied and taught people over there. He took a copy those records in his journal, back to the West, as a proof to the expected controversy. It also says that it was also accepted by his skeptics... blah blah blah... Read the article if interested. It also calls him the Buddha.
Many other pages I visited (which deny the above statement) try to criticize Vedic philosophy on this topic rather than negating Jesus's visit to India.
Now, let me write my opinion on this.
Note:
1. I'm assuming that Jesus had existed, for some may argue on the contrary. I havent done much of research on that perspective. (Son of a virgin lady? One of my basic doubts... Sorry, I don't believe in miracles) But from the debate's perspective, lets assume he had existed.
2. I havent read the Bible but a few parts are brought to my notice, thanks to the Evangelists. I can't quote anything from it.
Of all the pages I read regarding this, they say that there were something called as missing years in Jesus's life. Since he was 13 till he completed 29, there is no record of where he was in those days.
If we consider him coming to India, that would have taken long. Coming all the way from Israel to India when you're 12 in those days where you didn't have flights? hmm! Assuming he had travelled that far. What made him travel? Why did he? For how he knew there was a country called India which is spiritually rich? (accepted by Mr. KW)
Okay, he came. They say, he learned what they called Indian philosophy, He became a teacher too. (Teaching Indian philosophy) Umm, Thats great. But didn't he teach something else back in Israel?
I know no details other than the above mentioned paragraph. Now the question thats hitting me is that after learning so much in India, why did he return back to Nazareth? Geographically if you consider, India, (Kashmir, Ladakh to be specific,) was a heaven when you consider Jerusalem. Okay let us assume, he wanted to teach what he had learnt here to his people over there. Again the same question, did he teach exactly Indian principles?
If he had visited, there should be some more documents referring him say like some pandit in a King's regime, some kind of Sthala Purana, anything. We see no major thing coz if it did existed, it should have been know by now due to the excavation conducted.
Here are some questions I'd like to ask.
1. Why did all of a sudden, people started linking Jesus to India?
2. What is the Pope's stand towards this?
3. What does the Bible say about the missing years as said by Kent Walwin?
My view for the above questions are as follows,
Christianity is suffering a blow in the West, specially in Europe by Islam as India is suffering from blows by both of these cemetic religions(Christianity & Islam) here in India.
People say that in near future, Europe will be named Eurabia as muslims are densly multiplyin in Europe. Due to the intrusion of Islam in Europe, the Christian leaders are trying to find new land for its new Vatican City and they're eyeing India as the prominent destination.
Thanks to the current Indian Politics, which is held by an Italian Lady, well supported by her two kids and the rubber stamp along with a heard of sheeps. Need more proof regarding this? What happened once Congress came to power in 2004? Evangelism was accelerated. Missionaries from all over the world started coming to India. You all remember that stupid Benny Hinn's visit to Bangalore at the Jakkur Aerodrome. Boy! what a mess it was?
Our government lauds the Pope who visits India, vows that he shall make India a complete Christian Nation. Duh! What a pity????
Missionaries started camping allover the country. Where else? At the base of Tirupati, thanks for the late converted Christian CM, YSR (remembering whom, the whole AP cries crocodile tears) Duh!
We were trekking in Nagamale, Male Mahadeshwara hills a year back, to find the hilly area evangelized to a great extent. Cel location indicator on my CellPhone was saying we're at 'Kristarajapuram' (imitating krishnarajapura?) while we were trekking, a few kids of age not crossing 10, came to us begging for money who refused the food we gave. They wanted money. We saw a cross around their necks. Thank evangelists. Hope you understood the whole situation.
They're trying to christianize India stepwise. Thats highly irritating. Don't they have care for us Indians? Doesnt it strike their mind that they're doing exactly the same as to what the muslims are doing to them in Europe?
We Vedics, have never gone abroad trying to evangelize. We dont believe in it. The west simply doesnt understand our philosophy. They need to grow up a lot. I pity them.
These intrusion of evangelists and missionaries is a further step in that path. Creating false communal issues by disrupting churches by their own people, blaming the Hindus for that is another step. Making this movie, is another step in that regard.
People are trying to eradicate Indian philosophy from the face of earth, but thanks to a lot in saving it.
I believe there will not be an end to the Sanatana Dharma by these meagre foreign creatures for it has faced more tougher situations in the past and is still existing.
Had more points. Will mention the relevant ones in the comments. Please have your say!
Monday, April 27, 2009
Separate Tamil Nation? Huh!
Though I'm least bothered about their weird thoughts, this one is heights... Hence, thought of writing a post on it.
Yesterday, in the newspaper, I saw a statement by kumari Jayalalita that she pledges for a separate Tamil Nation for all tamil speaking people and hence the people of Tamil Nadu has to vote for her party. Funny, aint it?
AFAIK, there are two major parties in TN, DMK and AIADMK both headed by lunatic filmy people turned politicians Karunanidhi and Jayalalita respectively. While Karunanidhi wasa script writer writing punching dialogs to impress tamil people, Jayalalita was a heroine (They say, she was slim during those days... Hehe!)
Both of them (parties, in general) instead of concentrating how they can manage the government with the interior resources, try to grab as many resources from the other states and poke into affairs which is not at all related to them. Need an example? Take the water issue, you have Kaveri issue, Hogenekkal issue, Periyar issue? What not? Also the LTTE issue.
Curbing with the development Bangalore had with the IT industry, they forced the central government to appoint one of their party member to be the Minister for IT and development so that they can grab a major chunk of projects.
These are the same people who had appealed for an order from the Government of Karnataka to make Tamil to be the secondary language of Karnataka while the crooked Veerappan had abducted the legendary icon, Dr. Rajkumar way back in 2001.
They debate that there was no Rama, but the bridge belonged to the cemetic religions.
One can understand the cheap mentality of the tamil politicians by such issues. They are always waiting to dominate people of other states.
Now that they want a separate nation? What would they demand from India for separation? Here are a few that comes to my mind.
1. Kaveri river and Periyar river should be granted solely for the tamil speaking nation to satiate their thirst. (Dunno what name they give for the new nation they intend to get?)
2. Borders need be expanded grabbing some parts of Karnataka, Kerala, AP to fit in the extra people coming from Lanka.
Some hilarious points I get:
1. Checking for passports in the busses commuting to and from Tamil Nadu.
2. Wherever they travel in India, they are going to speak in Tamil and everyone should converse in the same language.
3. Within tamil nadu, if you don't speak Tamil, you are outa the country. (Do they take back lakhs of Tamilians from various states of India back to their nation?)
What not? You get some points... comment it.
Lemme add my points on the LTTE issue.
We all know that the Sinhalese people are the people staying in Lanka for long, longer than tamilians atleast. AFAIK.
What is the ill-treatment the tamils are facing in Sri Lanka? Even If they are facing, they have their own country India. Why dont they return back? back to THEIR tamil nadu?
You want the Lankan people to evacuate so that they can make room for the tamilians? Where should they refuge to? Isnt this foolish to any sane thinker? Isnt this what the Pakistanis doing up there at Kashmir?
If this is not the problem what they think of, Divine Intervention... Please let me know the problem as such. Outside Tamil Nadu, I guess this is what people have thought the problem is.
At the end, All I say is "Stop curbing about a separate nation... Live in Harmony. (If possible)"
Yesterday, in the newspaper, I saw a statement by kumari Jayalalita that she pledges for a separate Tamil Nation for all tamil speaking people and hence the people of Tamil Nadu has to vote for her party. Funny, aint it?
AFAIK, there are two major parties in TN, DMK and AIADMK both headed by lunatic filmy people turned politicians Karunanidhi and Jayalalita respectively. While Karunanidhi wasa script writer writing punching dialogs to impress tamil people, Jayalalita was a heroine (They say, she was slim during those days... Hehe!)
Both of them (parties, in general) instead of concentrating how they can manage the government with the interior resources, try to grab as many resources from the other states and poke into affairs which is not at all related to them. Need an example? Take the water issue, you have Kaveri issue, Hogenekkal issue, Periyar issue? What not? Also the LTTE issue.
Curbing with the development Bangalore had with the IT industry, they forced the central government to appoint one of their party member to be the Minister for IT and development so that they can grab a major chunk of projects.
These are the same people who had appealed for an order from the Government of Karnataka to make Tamil to be the secondary language of Karnataka while the crooked Veerappan had abducted the legendary icon, Dr. Rajkumar way back in 2001.
They debate that there was no Rama, but the bridge belonged to the cemetic religions.
One can understand the cheap mentality of the tamil politicians by such issues. They are always waiting to dominate people of other states.
Now that they want a separate nation? What would they demand from India for separation? Here are a few that comes to my mind.
1. Kaveri river and Periyar river should be granted solely for the tamil speaking nation to satiate their thirst. (Dunno what name they give for the new nation they intend to get?)
2. Borders need be expanded grabbing some parts of Karnataka, Kerala, AP to fit in the extra people coming from Lanka.
Some hilarious points I get:
1. Checking for passports in the busses commuting to and from Tamil Nadu.
2. Wherever they travel in India, they are going to speak in Tamil and everyone should converse in the same language.
3. Within tamil nadu, if you don't speak Tamil, you are outa the country. (Do they take back lakhs of Tamilians from various states of India back to their nation?)
What not? You get some points... comment it.
Lemme add my points on the LTTE issue.
We all know that the Sinhalese people are the people staying in Lanka for long, longer than tamilians atleast. AFAIK.
What is the ill-treatment the tamils are facing in Sri Lanka? Even If they are facing, they have their own country India. Why dont they return back? back to THEIR tamil nadu?
You want the Lankan people to evacuate so that they can make room for the tamilians? Where should they refuge to? Isnt this foolish to any sane thinker? Isnt this what the Pakistanis doing up there at Kashmir?
If this is not the problem what they think of, Divine Intervention... Please let me know the problem as such. Outside Tamil Nadu, I guess this is what people have thought the problem is.
At the end, All I say is "Stop curbing about a separate nation... Live in Harmony. (If possible)"
Wednesday, November 05, 2008
Tragedy of the day
What to say about this?
There is a saying in Kannada. 'ಇಮಾಂಸಾಬಿಗೂ ಗೋಕುಲಾಷ್ಟಮಿಗೂ ಏನ್ ಸಂಬಂಧ?'
which literally translates into 'Whats the relation between imaamsaabhi and gokulaashtami?'
People today are bloggin, talking(in fact doing all sorts of things) about Barack Obama winning the elections in the US. I'm not pro Obama or against him. Why should people in India talk so much about him winning elections over there?
Some might ask the question that He will decide the relationship between India and US. About the IT deal which ends by March 2009. Some predict that he might close all the doors for IT in India from the US.
SO WHAT???
Arent we an Independant nation? Why should we care so much about policies made by some foreign leader. Arent we self sufficient? We should look out for opportunities within and not outside.
If you've gotta look at problems. there are hell lota them right here in this country. Please look into this. To mention some, there is the alltime debt of the country. Two months old financial crisis, never ending conversion and evangelism by the cemetic religions and what not?
Another saying from Kannada 'ನಮ್ಮದೇ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಹಾಸಿ ಹೊದ್ದ್ಕೊಳ್ಳೋವಷ್ಟಿರೋವಾಗ ಬೇರೆಯವರ ಗೋಜು ನಮಗ್ಯಾಕೆ?' translates to 'When we have so much to think of ourselves, why should one think of the rest?'
Please have your say here to what I say. Lemme reply to your comments.
There is a saying in Kannada. 'ಇಮಾಂಸಾಬಿಗೂ ಗೋಕುಲಾಷ್ಟಮಿಗೂ ಏನ್ ಸಂಬಂಧ?'
which literally translates into 'Whats the relation between imaamsaabhi and gokulaashtami?'
People today are bloggin, talking(in fact doing all sorts of things) about Barack Obama winning the elections in the US. I'm not pro Obama or against him. Why should people in India talk so much about him winning elections over there?
Some might ask the question that He will decide the relationship between India and US. About the IT deal which ends by March 2009. Some predict that he might close all the doors for IT in India from the US.
SO WHAT???
Arent we an Independant nation? Why should we care so much about policies made by some foreign leader. Arent we self sufficient? We should look out for opportunities within and not outside.
If you've gotta look at problems. there are hell lota them right here in this country. Please look into this. To mention some, there is the alltime debt of the country. Two months old financial crisis, never ending conversion and evangelism by the cemetic religions and what not?
Another saying from Kannada 'ನಮ್ಮದೇ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಹಾಸಿ ಹೊದ್ದ್ಕೊಳ್ಳೋವಷ್ಟಿರೋವಾಗ ಬೇರೆಯವರ ಗೋಜು ನಮಗ್ಯಾಕೆ?' translates to 'When we have so much to think of ourselves, why should one think of the rest?'
Please have your say here to what I say. Lemme reply to your comments.
Thursday, December 27, 2007
Enough is enough of Christmas wishes.
People are behind being social. To boast that they are secular. They find pride in doing that.
Many people went (are still going on...) on vacation as they get holidays on the account of Christmas n Christian New year. Before they go, If they see anybody, they feel its their duty to wish them Merry Christmas n a happy new year. Is being secular in this sense is so prestigious?
I hardly see them celebrating our Ugadi or Baisaaki as new year. They don't even celebrate Krishna Janmashtami or Rama Navami as they celebrate Xmas. Dunno what attracts them towards Xmas which is absent in our festivals??!!
I received many scraps on orkut wishing merry christmas. I got fed up so much that I replied them back saying I do not celebrate 'em and if you do so, take my wishes.
This is not only for christian festivals but also others.
As you all know, they celebrate the chrisian new year boozin @ clubs, attending parties with their loved ones(married, un married, I need not mention that) dancing their way out like lunatics. Once it strikes 12, we @ NH - 7 get terrified with the bike roars headed from clubs, Dhabas alongside crackers.
In no mood to add on more points as I am feelin dizzy.
Being secular is not in celebrating other festivals or wishing those who celebrate. Celebrate your festivals first than celebrating others. Its just live n let live. Dont you think so? Any opposition?? Please leave a comment.
Many people went (are still going on...) on vacation as they get holidays on the account of Christmas n Christian New year. Before they go, If they see anybody, they feel its their duty to wish them Merry Christmas n a happy new year. Is being secular in this sense is so prestigious?
I hardly see them celebrating our Ugadi or Baisaaki as new year. They don't even celebrate Krishna Janmashtami or Rama Navami as they celebrate Xmas. Dunno what attracts them towards Xmas which is absent in our festivals??!!
I received many scraps on orkut wishing merry christmas. I got fed up so much that I replied them back saying I do not celebrate 'em and if you do so, take my wishes.
This is not only for christian festivals but also others.
As you all know, they celebrate the chrisian new year boozin @ clubs, attending parties with their loved ones(married, un married, I need not mention that) dancing their way out like lunatics. Once it strikes 12, we @ NH - 7 get terrified with the bike roars headed from clubs, Dhabas alongside crackers.
In no mood to add on more points as I am feelin dizzy.
Being secular is not in celebrating other festivals or wishing those who celebrate. Celebrate your festivals first than celebrating others. Its just live n let live. Dont you think so? Any opposition?? Please leave a comment.
Wednesday, June 13, 2007
Thou Shant Evangelize!!!
Well, Well, Well!!
Now i'll write about one of the things i hate to the core.
Yes! You guessed it right! Its about Evangelism!!
Dictionary.com gives "the preaching or promulgation of the gospel; the work of an evangelist" as the meaning to evangelism.
Wikipedia says "Evangelism is a Christian movement for emphasizing personal conversion and the authority of the Bible or, by extension, any other form of preaching or proselytizing." It continues... Christians often characterize evangelism as "...one beggar telling another beggar where to find bread." Hehe!! So cheap a comparision! Religions do exist for the sake of bread eh??
In laymans' words, Evangelism is just the process of conversion from one religion to another (strongly followed by Christians n to quite a good extent by Muslims, by force during the medieval age, (Mughals)). Forcing one to change his religion by preachin him, brainwashin him n bribing him!
Note that i'm not criticizin the whole religion here n am just expressing my views on things i hate in their rituals. I do give my reasons. You are always free to comment whatever you feel honestly. Do share yo views. Its not meant to hurt ones feelings,even in case it has hurt you, thats yo problem.
Note that they claim that Jesus had said this to their followers - 'Yo, Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.
– Matthew 28:19,20 King James Version'
They say its their right to evangelize!
I had not bothered to know about evangelism since my engineering. Till then, i was not thinking about the society i live in to the extent i'm doin now! The first time i heard the word Evangelism was in 5th semester when one of the Microsoft's session in our college, when Mr.Kevin D'souza, .NET evangelist came to our college to evangelize us to .net. Prof.Victor, English Professor and the Principal of Degree College, Nitte, Bangalore, one of the chairperson invited to the session was surprized of the usage of the word evangelism in this context and he explained the usual n actual usage of Evangelism! Thats when i knew about it!
After the session, i recollected my sister telling me about Bhairappa's Dharmashri, I hadnt read it though i had bought the book long back. Just grabbed the book and started reading that. Boy!! How these people fool us around!! Was furiated about that aspect of Christians after reading it. Do read it when you are free. You'll get the tricks followed by them to evangelize!
After that, the major evangelist move i saw was that of stupid Benny Hinn's big programme for four day near my house! (@ Jakkur Aerodrome) I was laughing at the live telecast they were showin on TV! He was forcing people to just keep on saying Jesus! Jesus! and he will be healed! CRAP!!! What have they thought of these ignorant people! Just a move towards evangelizing 'em! They used to get such people to act and those fools would act as these idiots want and the innocent n the ignorant would believe that its true! Heck! I dont know what they get evangelizing people! (lumpsome Money?? eh??)
I forgot about that some days later till i met one in my company! He came as a tutor for a week! I refuse to disclose his full name. Lets keep it Mr.Rufus. He is a christian from Chennai! Came to our company as a Java trainer. He did his job to the required extent. Well, I have the habit of speaking to lecturers whenever possible. It was a tea break! We'd gone to the cafetaria! He was sippin his tea all alone! It was Dasara! 9th day! Aayudha Pooje! There was a procession going on the road with people dancing to the beats of thamate!
He saw that n asked "Why are they dancing??"
I replied "Its Aayudha Pooje! The 9th day of Dasara festival! They decorate their vehicles n tools they've got and worship god to keep them in good condition"
He replied "Oh yeah!"
I commited a mistake now by uttering this "Yes! Guess you guys have less number of festivals right??" I had to undergo a lecture for half an hour!
He started "You know, we dont have festivals. Its a crime to celebrate festivals! Though you say Christmas as festival, in core christianity, you dont follow any festival!"
I'm not able to recollect the exact words, but here are the excerpts i recollect from our conversation. I'll express my views inside paranthesis. I said "Is it??"
"Yes! You might have mistaken about Jesus Christ as our god! but you are wrong, Jesus is just the messenger of God! Our god is named Yehova! He is known in three forms. Father, Child or the Son and the Holy Spirit! God(Father) created the whole Universe in 6 days including Earth, solar system, all creatures, animals and man and all! ( Why didnt he mention about other galaxies??) After he created man (Adam and Eve) he let them free in Eden Gardens to just play! He said you can do what ever you want here and you are not restricted to do anything other than going to the tree of Knowledge! Even if you go there, dont ever try eating its fruit! ( Its an apple tree i guess. Now if he didnt wanted people to go there and eat, why should he have created that tree in the first place??) Adam and Eve hanged around Eden gardens but Eve was very curious(as every human being) about the tree of knowledge and she asked Adam to get the fruit from that tree! Adam initially refused but even he was curious n he got the fruit and they both ate it! They had created their first sin! God was furious about them! As part of their sin, they had their first child! From then on, human beings are creating sins after sins! A baby taking birth on earth is a sin! (Hmm!!!??) As we humans are creating sins to this extent, we'll go to hell if we dont take the side of God! God says 'Just worship me and I'll rip off all the sins you commit!' (So simple is it??)"
"Oh yeah?? How???"
"See, as i said, God has three forms(And you say god is one!! Huh!!), Father, Son and the holy spirit! Father sends his son to bear all the sins that his disciples commit! So any sin you commit n you truly believe in god, you wont get the punishment for your sins! All you need to do is believe in God and gods bears all the sins you do! God sends his own son to take the punishment of the whole set of people who believe in god!"
"What about the rest??"
"Why should he care about the rest?? They dont follow him and he is least bothered about those who dont believe in the ultimate truth!( What sort of god is he?? who cares about only those who believe in him??)
"Oho! that way?? Hmm" I said!
He continued to grind me with many more things i was totally not interested in! He explained more about Father, son and the holy spirit, the end of days, Lucifer, Armageddon n stuff like that! I was wondering why he was tellin me all this! At last after 30 minutes of boring, he said, "I stay near Frazer Town, Do come home every 12th of every month to get enlightened about the religion of Truth!(huh!!)"
I dint give a reply! I just came downstairs to attend the Aayudha Pooje in our office! I was waiting for an opportunity to get out when Deepak, our office boy called us to attend the pooje. I dint speak to him since then! Have seen him many a times since then i purposefully dont speak with him since then!
I explained it to one of my Christian friend who was close to me then, and she replied that he wouldnt have told you about such things without seeing interest in you! I had a big argument with her on this issue! I still continue such arguments with her! She wudnt find answers to such questions i ask! She just doesnt have the answer. I wouldnt like to discuss the topic of argument here as it might make some of the readers have bad opinion on me.
Since then, I am just against evangelism. Against people distributing pamplets about christianity! Muslims are no behind! I had just got a pamplet near the mosque just beside Shivajinagar Bus stand saying 'Discover Islam'!! Other than that, during the mughal rule or the bahamanis, or the ghaznis or the Ghoris or the sultans, they converted many Hindus to muslims by force! They changed the names of many cities to muslim name. Prayag became allahabad is just an example. They call their religion as the true religion and people of other religion as Kafirs. Have they seen the truth to judge people of other religion as hypocrites??
I suggest you to read 'Aavarana' by S.L.Bhairappa to get a feel for the muslim customs and their Ill treatment towards Hindus. They can follow polygamy haveing 4 wifes legally and many illegally, they can destroy temples of other religion n many other things! Shame on them! Muslim females are not supposed to show themselves to other males other than their family members. eh??
They curb if we destroy their masjid (Ayodhya, Babri Masjid), but have they forgotten that Babur constructed that masjid by destroying a temple in that place?? I am not asking for a Tit for Tat here but just bringing up the point!
I just want to bring up the point that we Hindus have never gone to anyone asking them to get converted to Hinduism! We believe in our ideologies and we never force others to follow us! Its in our blood! If they are interested in our ideology, we pose no barriers for them! We havent gone outside preaching our philosophy! Its only the outsiders coming in asking about us! We are self satisfied! Its these christian missionaries and the muslim prophets who want their religion to prosper by having more followers try evangelizing people! What do they get??
There are true believers of Christianity n Islam who wont evangelize! There are exceptions everywhere! But i'm talkin about the majority of people!
I'd like end this post with a quote by Gandhi here - "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
So true!!
Now i'll write about one of the things i hate to the core.
Yes! You guessed it right! Its about Evangelism!!
Dictionary.com gives "the preaching or promulgation of the gospel; the work of an evangelist" as the meaning to evangelism.
Wikipedia says "Evangelism is a Christian movement for emphasizing personal conversion and the authority of the Bible or, by extension, any other form of preaching or proselytizing." It continues... Christians often characterize evangelism as "...one beggar telling another beggar where to find bread." Hehe!! So cheap a comparision! Religions do exist for the sake of bread eh??
In laymans' words, Evangelism is just the process of conversion from one religion to another (strongly followed by Christians n to quite a good extent by Muslims, by force during the medieval age, (Mughals)). Forcing one to change his religion by preachin him, brainwashin him n bribing him!
Note that i'm not criticizin the whole religion here n am just expressing my views on things i hate in their rituals. I do give my reasons. You are always free to comment whatever you feel honestly. Do share yo views. Its not meant to hurt ones feelings,even in case it has hurt you, thats yo problem.
Note that they claim that Jesus had said this to their followers - 'Yo, Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.
– Matthew 28:19,20 King James Version'
They say its their right to evangelize!
I had not bothered to know about evangelism since my engineering. Till then, i was not thinking about the society i live in to the extent i'm doin now! The first time i heard the word Evangelism was in 5th semester when one of the Microsoft's session in our college, when Mr.Kevin D'souza, .NET evangelist came to our college to evangelize us to .net. Prof.Victor, English Professor and the Principal of Degree College, Nitte, Bangalore, one of the chairperson invited to the session was surprized of the usage of the word evangelism in this context and he explained the usual n actual usage of Evangelism! Thats when i knew about it!
After the session, i recollected my sister telling me about Bhairappa's Dharmashri, I hadnt read it though i had bought the book long back. Just grabbed the book and started reading that. Boy!! How these people fool us around!! Was furiated about that aspect of Christians after reading it. Do read it when you are free. You'll get the tricks followed by them to evangelize!
After that, the major evangelist move i saw was that of stupid Benny Hinn's big programme for four day near my house! (@ Jakkur Aerodrome) I was laughing at the live telecast they were showin on TV! He was forcing people to just keep on saying Jesus! Jesus! and he will be healed! CRAP!!! What have they thought of these ignorant people! Just a move towards evangelizing 'em! They used to get such people to act and those fools would act as these idiots want and the innocent n the ignorant would believe that its true! Heck! I dont know what they get evangelizing people! (lumpsome Money?? eh??)
I forgot about that some days later till i met one in my company! He came as a tutor for a week! I refuse to disclose his full name. Lets keep it Mr.Rufus. He is a christian from Chennai! Came to our company as a Java trainer. He did his job to the required extent. Well, I have the habit of speaking to lecturers whenever possible. It was a tea break! We'd gone to the cafetaria! He was sippin his tea all alone! It was Dasara! 9th day! Aayudha Pooje! There was a procession going on the road with people dancing to the beats of thamate!
He saw that n asked "Why are they dancing??"
I replied "Its Aayudha Pooje! The 9th day of Dasara festival! They decorate their vehicles n tools they've got and worship god to keep them in good condition"
He replied "Oh yeah!"
I commited a mistake now by uttering this "Yes! Guess you guys have less number of festivals right??" I had to undergo a lecture for half an hour!
He started "You know, we dont have festivals. Its a crime to celebrate festivals! Though you say Christmas as festival, in core christianity, you dont follow any festival!"
I'm not able to recollect the exact words, but here are the excerpts i recollect from our conversation. I'll express my views inside paranthesis. I said "Is it??"
"Yes! You might have mistaken about Jesus Christ as our god! but you are wrong, Jesus is just the messenger of God! Our god is named Yehova! He is known in three forms. Father, Child or the Son and the Holy Spirit! God(Father) created the whole Universe in 6 days including Earth, solar system, all creatures, animals and man and all! ( Why didnt he mention about other galaxies??) After he created man (Adam and Eve) he let them free in Eden Gardens to just play! He said you can do what ever you want here and you are not restricted to do anything other than going to the tree of Knowledge! Even if you go there, dont ever try eating its fruit! ( Its an apple tree i guess. Now if he didnt wanted people to go there and eat, why should he have created that tree in the first place??) Adam and Eve hanged around Eden gardens but Eve was very curious(as every human being) about the tree of knowledge and she asked Adam to get the fruit from that tree! Adam initially refused but even he was curious n he got the fruit and they both ate it! They had created their first sin! God was furious about them! As part of their sin, they had their first child! From then on, human beings are creating sins after sins! A baby taking birth on earth is a sin! (Hmm!!!??) As we humans are creating sins to this extent, we'll go to hell if we dont take the side of God! God says 'Just worship me and I'll rip off all the sins you commit!' (So simple is it??)"
"Oh yeah?? How???"
"See, as i said, God has three forms(And you say god is one!! Huh!!), Father, Son and the holy spirit! Father sends his son to bear all the sins that his disciples commit! So any sin you commit n you truly believe in god, you wont get the punishment for your sins! All you need to do is believe in God and gods bears all the sins you do! God sends his own son to take the punishment of the whole set of people who believe in god!"
"What about the rest??"
"Why should he care about the rest?? They dont follow him and he is least bothered about those who dont believe in the ultimate truth!( What sort of god is he?? who cares about only those who believe in him??)
"Oho! that way?? Hmm" I said!
He continued to grind me with many more things i was totally not interested in! He explained more about Father, son and the holy spirit, the end of days, Lucifer, Armageddon n stuff like that! I was wondering why he was tellin me all this! At last after 30 minutes of boring, he said, "I stay near Frazer Town, Do come home every 12th of every month to get enlightened about the religion of Truth!(huh!!)"
I dint give a reply! I just came downstairs to attend the Aayudha Pooje in our office! I was waiting for an opportunity to get out when Deepak, our office boy called us to attend the pooje. I dint speak to him since then! Have seen him many a times since then i purposefully dont speak with him since then!
I explained it to one of my Christian friend who was close to me then, and she replied that he wouldnt have told you about such things without seeing interest in you! I had a big argument with her on this issue! I still continue such arguments with her! She wudnt find answers to such questions i ask! She just doesnt have the answer. I wouldnt like to discuss the topic of argument here as it might make some of the readers have bad opinion on me.
Since then, I am just against evangelism. Against people distributing pamplets about christianity! Muslims are no behind! I had just got a pamplet near the mosque just beside Shivajinagar Bus stand saying 'Discover Islam'!! Other than that, during the mughal rule or the bahamanis, or the ghaznis or the Ghoris or the sultans, they converted many Hindus to muslims by force! They changed the names of many cities to muslim name. Prayag became allahabad is just an example. They call their religion as the true religion and people of other religion as Kafirs. Have they seen the truth to judge people of other religion as hypocrites??
I suggest you to read 'Aavarana' by S.L.Bhairappa to get a feel for the muslim customs and their Ill treatment towards Hindus. They can follow polygamy haveing 4 wifes legally and many illegally, they can destroy temples of other religion n many other things! Shame on them! Muslim females are not supposed to show themselves to other males other than their family members. eh??
They curb if we destroy their masjid (Ayodhya, Babri Masjid), but have they forgotten that Babur constructed that masjid by destroying a temple in that place?? I am not asking for a Tit for Tat here but just bringing up the point!
I just want to bring up the point that we Hindus have never gone to anyone asking them to get converted to Hinduism! We believe in our ideologies and we never force others to follow us! Its in our blood! If they are interested in our ideology, we pose no barriers for them! We havent gone outside preaching our philosophy! Its only the outsiders coming in asking about us! We are self satisfied! Its these christian missionaries and the muslim prophets who want their religion to prosper by having more followers try evangelizing people! What do they get??
There are true believers of Christianity n Islam who wont evangelize! There are exceptions everywhere! But i'm talkin about the majority of people!
I'd like end this post with a quote by Gandhi here - "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
So true!!
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