Monday, April 27, 2009

Separate Tamil Nation? Huh!

Though I'm least bothered about their weird thoughts, this one is heights... Hence, thought of writing a post on it.

Yesterday, in the newspaper, I saw a statement by kumari Jayalalita that she pledges for a separate Tamil Nation for all tamil speaking people and hence the people of Tamil Nadu has to vote for her party. Funny, aint it?

AFAIK, there are two major parties in TN, DMK and AIADMK both headed by lunatic filmy people turned politicians Karunanidhi and Jayalalita respectively. While Karunanidhi wasa script writer writing punching dialogs to impress tamil people, Jayalalita was a heroine (They say, she was slim during those days... Hehe!)

Both of them (parties, in general) instead of concentrating how they can manage the government with the interior resources, try to grab as many resources from the other states and poke into affairs which is not at all related to them. Need an example? Take the water issue, you have Kaveri issue, Hogenekkal issue, Periyar issue? What not? Also the LTTE issue.

Curbing with the development Bangalore had with the IT industry, they forced the central government to appoint one of their party member to be the Minister for IT and development so that they can grab a major chunk of projects.

These are the same people who had appealed for an order from the Government of Karnataka to make Tamil to be the secondary language of Karnataka while the crooked Veerappan had abducted the legendary icon, Dr. Rajkumar way back in 2001.

They debate that there was no Rama, but the bridge belonged to the cemetic religions.

One can understand the cheap mentality of the tamil politicians by such issues. They are always waiting to dominate people of other states.

Now that they want a separate nation? What would they demand from India for separation? Here are a few that comes to my mind.

1. Kaveri river and Periyar river should be granted solely for the tamil speaking nation to satiate their thirst. (Dunno what name they give for the new nation they intend to get?)

2. Borders need be expanded grabbing some parts of Karnataka, Kerala, AP to fit in the extra people coming from Lanka.

Some hilarious points I get:

1. Checking for passports in the busses commuting to and from Tamil Nadu.

2. Wherever they travel in India, they are going to speak in Tamil and everyone should converse in the same language.

3. Within tamil nadu, if you don't speak Tamil, you are outa the country. (Do they take back lakhs of Tamilians from various states of India back to their nation?)

What not? You get some points... comment it.

Lemme add my points on the LTTE issue.

We all know that the Sinhalese people are the people staying in Lanka for long, longer than tamilians atleast. AFAIK.

What is the ill-treatment the tamils are facing in Sri Lanka? Even If they are facing, they have their own country India. Why dont they return back? back to THEIR tamil nadu?

You want the Lankan people to evacuate so that they can make room for the tamilians? Where should they refuge to? Isnt this foolish to any sane thinker? Isnt this what the Pakistanis doing up there at Kashmir?

If this is not the problem what they think of, Divine Intervention... Please let me know the problem as such. Outside Tamil Nadu, I guess this is what people have thought the problem is.

At the end, All I say is "Stop curbing about a separate nation... Live in Harmony. (If possible)"

54 comments:

Namratha said...

I find it funny actually. There are ppl who r demanding a new state for themselves/their community. and then there is J'lalita who despite having their own state now want their own country. I mean they cud ask for the moon tomorrow. Hehe...

Sandesh said...

Quite possible! Hahaha!!

i 7 said...

ee kaat nan makladdu ide aytu! konga nadu ge bomb haakbidoNa ansutte. firstu karnatakadalli iro kaat premi kaat abhimaanigaLanna odhdhu odsbeku.

Sandesh said...

baree karnataka maatra na? Idee bhaaratadinda ne odisbeku.

Logesh TamilSelvan said...

if you are not aware of some facts please keep your mouth shut..(srilankan tamil's- the genocide) don't post some lunatic views of yours, even if it is your blog..

If you don't know the history of Tamil people, better search for LEMURIA continent in the internet..(even tells about ur origin if you are a dravidian)

Do not keep this impression on tamil's, just because you are kannadiga..
this is the 2nd or 3rd time i'm commenting on your blog for such a kind issue... dont make me to do this again

Logesh TamilSelvan said...

hav a look at the Tamils boundaries
http://www.lankalibrary.com/geo/lemuriamap.jpg

பின்னூட்டம் பெரியசாமி.. said...

Dear friend,
The points made above our issues (Kaveri, Hogenakkal and Mullai Periyar) are sarcastic and idiotic that i do not want to comment on.
But let me comment on your understanding of Tamil eelam issue.
//my points on the LTTE issue.

We all know that the Sinhalese people are the people staying in Lanka for long, longer than tamilians atleast. AFAIK.//

Definitely not true. tamils are the people living in Srilanka from stone age. The sinhalese have their origin from todays orissa in India. Their langage sinhala came from pali spoken by bhuddhists which came from sanskrit. Please be aware of the history before making some public comments.

//What is the ill-treatment the tamils are facing in Sri Lanka? Even If they are facing, they have their own country India. Why dont they return back? back to THEIR tamil nadu?//

Really they are facing ill treatment by sinhala rulers. Atleast two lacks Tamils have been killed in last three decades in srilanka.. India is not thier own country.. They are the people of that soil. Whoever coming to India are refugees and treated to the worst in their camps in India. Srilankan tamil refugees camps are the worstest among the other refugee camps like Burmian and tebetian camps.

//You want the Lankan people to evacuate so that they can make room for the tamilians? Where should they refuge to? Isnt this foolish to any sane thinker?//
Nobody wants sinhalese to evacuate and in the contrary they oppose the encroachments by sinhalas in their homeland north and eastern srilanka. Not even a single sinhala is as refugee. But the tamils are scattered all over the world as refugees.
//Isnt this what the Pakistanis doing up there at Kashmir?//
Never compare the Tamils issue with Kashmir because Indian army never have done genocide in Kashmir. Indian army never ever have killed their own people using carpet bombs. Indian army stays there to keep peace in Kashmir But There are nobody lives in Srilankan army occupied Tamil eelam. Either all havebeen killed or shifted leaving all their properties and belongings and stays with LTTE for ther safety.

//If this is not the problem what they think of, Divine Intervention... Please let me know the problem as such. Outside Tamil Nadu, I guess this is what people have thought the problem is.//
The people living outside Tamilnadu have to understand that what is going on srilanka is their freedom struggle and LTTE are the freedom fighters.

//At the end, All I say is "Stop curbing about a separate nation... Live in Harmony. (If possible)" //
They tried all they can thru "Ahimsa" before they take guns. It is not at all possible for any society to live in prisons in their own country because they born in a particular community.

All the Indians should support Tamil eelam if they have minimum basic humanity.
We can sit and talk about our own issues like Kaveri, Hogenakkal or Mullai Periyar later on.

rooto said...

haa haaa fool, u r a fool!!! dont u know tamils r living way looong long ago. see e history even before singalish. and poor kannada bugger then y u all running to america???

rooto said...

u r not belong to india!! kannada is not indians language and the ppl in kannada r like u!! mean fools so u all evacuate e india sooner!!! foolish bugger!!!

Chinna said...

you have to know about sri lanka war and history before writing this.

miss narmatha ! there is nothing funny. if you can, find out why they ask separate nation.

Mani - மணிமொழியன் said...

//If this is not the problem what they think of, Divine Intervention... Please let me know the problem as such. Outside Tamil Nadu, I guess this is what people have thought the problem is.//

At least you are open to understanding what the problem is. Appreciating that. Sinhalese came from orissa and are not the first inhabitants of SL. Tamils are. There are so many proofs for this.

The basic problem is that the tamils are minority in SL and the SL govt is aggressively alienating them . one example is reservation AGAINST them (in India we have reservations FOR minorities, whereas in SL, reservation is against minorities).

Another draconian rule was cancellation of citizenship for lakhs of Tamil people. And then the riots which killed 4000 tamil people in a week. All these things would make anyone angry. If not, he is not a man.

One more thing that you should know is that the issue was protested in an ahmisa way initially by tamils in the 1950s and 1960s. But those leaders were not able to achieve any results. So angry younger generation turned to armed conflict in 1980s. And India trained them (in dehradun) to use weapons.

//We all know that the Sinhalese people are the people staying in Lanka for long, longer than tamilians atleast. AFAIK.//
-- It is not your fault to think so. The SL govt has enough money to spend on propaganda where an often repeated lie becomes the truth. So a common civilian who gets information only from newspapers and not from history is often misled. If you are making such strong statements, please be informed about the problem.

I am a Tamil and it is very easy for me to get angry by your post. But I have decided not get angry because hate does not help any side.

i 7 said...

@rooto

Dear rooto, you don't even have the guts to enable profile visits to your blog. And, you have the balls to use abusive language in someone else's blog?

"you are not belong to India"?????? What sort of English is that?? If you fabulous people from the amazing region of Tamil Nadu had the basic courtesy to respect other languages, only then would you guys have learnt English properly!

i 7 said...

@Sandesh,

Yaaav soooooLey magaa sisyaaa eeee Gaaandu nan magaa rooto??? avana thikadalli meter iddre avana profile ge visits enable maadli. Gaaaandu nann magaaa. Thika muchchkondu irokke aagalllaa ee gaaaandu kaat nann maaKKaLige. Thikaaa hoDdu aaspatrege haakbeku first eee gaandthullgaLannaa.

i 7 said...

@ Sandesh,

Sisyaaa, ee kaat nan maKKlige uryohaage innashtu postsgaLanna bari heLteeni. Yaav BoLi magaa ninge baitaane naanu nodteeni. En kannadigaru andre baLe toTTkond kootiro heDigaLu annkondidaara enu eee Konga nann makklu?

செந்தழல் ரவி said...

Hi Friend.

being a tamil, i have the responsibility to explain you.

i will give you a simple example. in srilanka, if you are a tamil, then to pass a subject in the school, you have to secure 80 marks out of 100. but if you are a singaleese, then you just need to secure 40 marks.

this is a simple example govt owned genocide for the minority. deny education, deny all the rights, deny everything else to them. thats the govt policy.

I request you to read some 'real' documents which was not made by sinagalease.

கொற்கை said...

'"you are not belong to India"?????? What sort of English is that?? If you fabulous people from the amazing region of Tamil Nadu had the basic courtesy to respect other languages, only then would you guys have learnt English properly!"

Dear blogger!

The above quote is your response to a feedbacker.

Your blog post contains so many grammatical errors. How can you advise others to learn English properly?

செந்தழல் ரவி said...

//I find it funny actually. There are ppl who r demanding a new state for themselves/their community. and then there is J'lalita who despite having their own state now want their own country. I mean they cud ask for the moon tomorrow. Hehe..//

at least 70,000 people killed in 30 years in SL. an UN official document says for the past 3 months, 6500 civil are killed by the govt bombardment.

have you ever heard able a govt deploying cluster bombs in its own people ? non armed civil ?

செந்தழல் ரவி said...

and also, please understand, We did not hate kannada people in any means. so despite haters, i request you to be more responsible when writing a post about a problem which you have not had enough information.

கொற்கை said...

Dear blogger!

I stumbled upon your blog serendeptiously. I am surprised to read your views on Tamils. But I am not shocked.

I lived in Hubli, Hospet and Bellary some time. I lived in Koppal, a small town and another town Gadag some time, in Karnatka. I worked in Railways. Then, I moved on to Maharastra, but I continued to work with Kannadigas in Railways, as my subordinate staff and my immediate superior officers.

After a long time with such nomadic life - transfer from place to place - in three States, Karnataka, AP and Maharashtra, my conclusion about Kannadiga, as compared to others, including Tamils, is that they are the warmest people, kind and compassioante. Compassion appears to be ingrained in them.

However, there are aberrations. There is always an except to the norm, in any walk of life, isnt? So, I had to come across a rare man, here and a rare woman, there, kannada-speaking, but harbouring such ill-will and rancour against the Tamils.

One such case was with a man, who spoke Tamil with me. He was from Bangalore city. He used the word, 'bastards' for Tamils. I am a Tamilian; and before my face, he did it. I was shocked, not because he had used the word, but because, it was totally against his own general warm nature, which he amply demonstrated in relationship with others.

I understood he was aggrieved with his posting in Maharastra, and some of my own Tamil speaking colleagues who had managed to get posting in Karnataka. He was also generally ill disposed to Tamils.

I did not argue with him. He continued to be my friend. It took more than two years for him to realise that he could be friends with Tamils. It was he who came to Pune Railway station to bid me farewell when I at last resigned the post to take up a posting in civil service.

I think it may be the case with you, dear. You need to adjudge Tamil people isolated from what politicians say and do.

The case of anti-Maratha is also happening in Belgaum. Can we say some loony Maratha opening a blog and spewing venom against Kannadigas, just? No!

Tamils loving their language, in preference to other languages, is not a strange behavior.

You can love yours. Once, in discussions with others, unlike other Tamilians there who strongly opposed Kannda-only policy, I took the view that the policy is timely. I argued 'better late than never', In UPSC interview, too, I took the same line, hell with my marks!!

We should preserve our language from the dangers posed by English and other Indian languages. Hindi gobbled up so many Indian languages. English is trampling underfoot other languages in India. So, we, that is you, for Kannada, I for Tamil, should preserve our respective mother-tongues passed on to us by our forefathers. That is possible only if we love our language first.

Therefore, do not find fault with anyone in India preferring his/her mother tongues over other tongues.

We learn English for economic survival. We still love our language. May Kannada flourish beautifully and get passed on to future generations intact. Work hard for that. Classical language status has been conferred on Kannada, for which you need to thank Tamils who first gained the victory getting that status to their language leading others to ask for it for their languages. If Tamils had not asked for it, could the idea have struck you at all?

The status entails grants-in-aid (in crores) from Union Ministry of HRD for encouragement in economic terms for the growth and development of Kannada. Ask your politicians what they did with the money. You have a serious responsibility here.

As you have to love yours, so others theirs.

My post is getting lenghty. So may I bring to a close now. In my next response, I shall take up Tamil SL issue which, in fact, forms the major part of your blog post.

Please wait.

Sandesh said...

Well! Well!! Well!!!

Had been to Mysooru yesterday, couldn't check up my mails n voila! 15 comments on this post? Thats cool!

Lemme reply...

@ Logesh - If you find my views lunatic, i can't help it. I find yours illogical. I googled for Lemuria, the first entry I found on it, the wikipedia though gives info about it, also says that

"Though Lemuria is no longer considered a valid scientific hypothesis,..."

Also this,

"The Lemuria theory disappeared completely from conventional scientific consideration after the theories of plate tectonics and continental drift were accepted by the larger scientific community."

That gives me doubt that theory of yours. I think its a hoax. You may call it lunatic again, its your problem...

The impression what I have of Tamilians is not because of that I'm a Kannadiga, but because of their behaviour in Karnataka.

Thanks for your counting on commenting... I'm not asking you to comment. Its you who is interested in commenting. You are totally free to do so, I write my views and this is my blog. You get offended? discuss? I don't think you're ready for that by the way you've commented. You can't ask me not to do things that I wish to.

I'll discuss about your tamil eelam issue later (replying other comments of the post).

I'm a dravidian by region, thanks for your interest in my origins, I know mine.

And that Lemurian map? As said before, I am still not ready to buy that idea.

continued...

Sandesh said...

@ பினனூடடம பெரியசாமி.. I dunno your name, but you finding my views on Kaveri et.al issues sarcastic, idiotic? I feel funny. to explain about those in short, its lnating pounds of bread to a beggar, while you are starving. This can be done when the begger begs, he cannot demand. You find it sarcastic? I can't help it.

Regarding your discussing about sinhalese origin. You say, tamils are staying in current Sri Lanka. Let us consider thats true for the moment being.

You say that Sinhalese have their origins in present Orissa and their language resemble pali derived from Sanskrit. Why did they come down till Sri Lanka and notto neighboring AP or TN? When did they? What was the reason for their descent? I grepped through wikipedia entry for Sinhalese to find no reference to Orissa. Are
the sinhalese people so shy to call themselves to originate from Orissa? What for? One might find the buddhist influence on Sri Lanka and the reason being King Ashoka sending buddhist monks to places around his Kingdom to propagate peace. (According to him). The Sanskrit influence might have come from that direction. If t
hey are originating from Orissa and have pali scripture? how can they have a script which resembles more of dravidian symbols and not Aryan?

You say the tamils are facing problems from the Sinhala Rulers since last three decades. I searched wiki for LTTE to find it was established in 1976, 33 years bac
k. Does that answer your view? Can't it be that due to the activities of LTTE, the Sinhalese government is taking its action to protect the land and its people? After all why should the Sinhalese people kill Tamilians? What is the reason behind it? What do they gain? Please answer these questions.

Currently atleast on the map, one can say that the northern and eastern parts of Lanka does belong to Sri Lanka. As per the rule of any country (as in India), a c
itizen can move to any unrestricted part of the country. So, a Sinhalese moving into the afore mentioned parts of Lanka or a Lankan Tamilian moving to other parts
of Lanka shouldnt be considered as a refuge. He has just shifted the location. Change of Address? You want Sinhalese people to live as a refugee in the north-eas
tern part of Sri Lanka though they belong to the same country? Why? You continue saying that Tamilians are living as refugees all over the world? Forget the world! Don't they live like normal citizens atleast in Tamil Nadu? If not, are they aliens from some other planet?

The comparison between Lankan refuge and Kashmir has been mistaken by you. You should consider Pakistanis and not Indian Army. Didnt the Pakistanis intrude into K
ashmir and making all the Kashmiri pandits take refuge somewhere else? Even in Kashmir, or PoK, nobody lives except the pakistani terrorists. I find many similari
ties. I see it as a valid comparison.

I'm not convinced with your saying the issue as a freedom struggle. I find it a mere intrusion. Tamils living in Sri Lanka could be normal without this hassle if
everybody follow peace is what I believe.

I'm impressed by your using sanskrit word 'Ahimsa', though you are proud to speak Tamil. If you take back the path in Ahimsa, its your lack of belief and not fail
ure of method. Ahimsa wins at last, by any cost if you believe in it. You lose patience, you can't blame on Ahimsa but yourself.

Why all Indians? Everybody in the world, would support you if the cause is right, which I dont think it is...

continued...

Sandesh said...

@ rooto - Striving hard to comprehend your comment. Though replying to such comment of yours is pointless and more of degrading myself and the post, I'm doing it as a formality I do for every person who comments on my blog. You consider me a fool for not knowing something? I dunno who is the fool here. How long ago do you think the tamils existed? fanatics like you would say that they lived before the universe was ever created. Pity you! Whats "e history", "singalish". Your comment is a piece of trash...

You bring in my language and people to your issue, there is no better fool than you. We're running to America? Aint you? People from almost all states are fleeing to America, also, its the other case, like Americans are (were) grabbing people whom they felt are talented. Its not only the Kannadigas, but all. Pointless comment.

You are the people who claim that tamil is spoken widely over the world including many states of India along with other nations like USA, UK, Singapore... We don'
t claim so though we do have people speaking Kannada (not in public) all over the world. (Source Wiki, search for Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam... Search Kannada for being benevolent)

You might have drank a fifth of vodka while you commented when you say that Kannadigas do not belong to India and Kannada is not an Indian Language. Comment sober.

@ Chinna - Please enlighten us by providing some genuine links on those topics.

@ Mani - Thanks for the comment. Good that you are open to discussions. Please provide the proofs for Sinhalese origins. As mentioned in previous comment, I didnt find any info on that. The Sinhalese do not write anything on their Orissa origins.

Reservations, for anybody will cause problems. Why should one require reservation? It only increases the problem it was meant to solve. A classic example would be the reservations against the minorities and the down-troddens as they call in India. Now that the reservations are in, things have gone upside down. What they call as upper class has come down and the lower class up. It doesnt change the scenario. No wonder if the situation remains same and the majorities fight for their rights in future.

I do not support any kind of reservation as such.

The cancellation of civilization rights might be due to the riots caused by LTTE. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Again, if you say, Ahimsa didnt work out, its your lack of belief in Ahimsa. Sad that India trained them towards the path of 'Himsa'.

A government cannot fool the whole world about the origin about its people is what I believe. They shouldnt feel shy or guilt or any kinda feeling for that matter to disclose their origins.

Glad that you are not angry with me. =)

Sandesh said...

@ i7 - Thanks for the great response for the lunatic rooto. Avr thika hodedu namm energy, resources yaak waste maadkobeku? Antavr thikdalli sann sann atom bomb haaki blaasht maadana bidu. Hehehe! =) Sum sumne yaake avr mele kaal kerkond jagalakke hogbeku? Enadru ee thara case aadre bariyana bidu! Yaavan en maadtaane node bidana!

@ செந்தழல் ரவி: Hey Ravi,

Thanks for the concern in explaining =).

If people are denied their rights? Can't one fight for it non-violently? Just as Gandhi did? Don't say that the Gandhian era is over. I don't think so. They are valid for all conditions I presume.

Sad if the reservation you mentioned is true. But do you think having a separate country would solve the issue? Consider getting a country solely for tamilians. What are the chances that there wont be any reservations? One might come up with rules and reservations for various streams of tamilians like Iyengari tamils, Iyer
tamils, christian tamils, muslim tamils what not? The problem with this is reservation and not the race. Lankan tamils should fight to cancel such reservations than asking for a separate country.

Writing on reservations, why do you fight for reservations against minorities in other country while we have the same problem here in our country? Why can't we fight against all sorts of reservations here in India first? Can't we see the imbalance in the society with reservations raging all over country?

On your take with Namratha's comments, you say that 70,000 people were killed in SL in 30 years. Wasnt the LTTE formed by then? Isnt LTTE a cause or atleast a catalyst in those killings indirectly?

The SL government might have bombed in places where they predicted the LTTE ultras would have stayed. Their motto might be sacrificing a few of their members to destroy the ultras is okay. There is a saying in Sanskrit which says,

a person can be sacrificed for a home.
a home for a street,
a street for a village,
a village for the state,
a state for the world...

I do agree that there are tamilians who are neutral when it comes to language concerns. Exceptions do exist. But, don't you think the issues I mentioned are a bit too harsh on Kannadigas? Well, how can one let alone consider, think of another language to be a secondary language for communication in his own land? would you allow it?

Sorry If I've hurt your feelings, but I have written what I felt was right and I go by it. Comment in case you want to shed more light on things I wrote. We can discuss anytime ad infinitum.

Mani - மணிமொழியன் said...

//The cancellation of civilization rights might be due to the riots caused by LTTE. Correct me if I'm wrong.//

The LTTE was formed in 1979. Whereas the cancellation happened in 1964 (all the ahimsa did not work).
So SL govt's actions caused this conflict and created the LTTE :(
I read your post on seat reservation in buses where u had to deal with a northie aggressively. You did turn aggressive for a right cause, didnt you?

Believe me, the conflict is much older than LTTE. LTTE is just one of the last phase in it. This makes me think that even if LTTE is finished the conflict will not stop because SL govt will continue oppressing tamils. I hope that peace and equality will return.

//Again, if you say, Ahimsa didnt work out, its your lack of belief in Ahimsa. Sad that India trained them towards the path of 'Himsa'.//

Sorry to say that you are wrong. In India ahimsa worked because crores of Indians fought against thousands of britishers. In SL, it was the opposite, i.e thousands fought against crores of SL ppl. So ahmisa protests were all ineffective. Only when armed struggle started, people started to take notice.

Some people equate Kashmir and SL conflict. I dont think they are equivalent because:
- India does not bomb its own muslim population in Kashmir.SL bombs and shells, denies medicine and food its own civilians.
- India provides reservation for minorities. Sri lanka has reservations against minorities.
- I dont think India ever canceled citizenship for innocent people.

I would be happy if this long conversation had shed lights on something.

Sandesh said...

@ கொற்கை: Regarding your response on i7's comment, are you referring to his blog or mine? He is a GRE pass out! You can't doubt his English. If you are saying that my blogpost consists of grammatical errors, you're free to expose them. Typo errors are coz I'm lazy enough to go through a second look for typo errors. I'm humble enough to accept them. I don't care much about a foreign language i use to make people understand who don't know my language.

Thanks for your views on Kannadigas =). Really good to know that.

We all know that there are exceptions everywhere.

Regarding your experience with that person, you said that he spoke tamil with you? Is he a Kannadiga? May be he is acting so coz of his experiences with tamilians. Even I do have friends who speak tamil at home. They speak Kannada with me. As said before, there are exceptions everywhere.

Anybody loving their language is normal. But dominating is what I oppose. You see such domination here in Karnataka a lot. I shall not discuss about the domination again here. Kindly go through some of the posts I wrote on Kannada.

I respect your views in conserving language, though I say its not to conserve, we should prosper the language.

I don't believe in things like classical language stature, though I'm happy that Kannada is considered one. I'm indifferent.

You are welcome to take upon the issue.

One more thing, how should I refer you? Please leave your name in English.

Sandesh said...

@ Mani - Correction. wikipedia says LTTE was formed in 1976.

Turning aggressive against a co-passenger? I didn't harm him. I followed ahimsa. Hehehe! J

I just reminded him of the rule. This is something personal. Though I struggle to follow the path of Ahimsa, some situations turn me aggressive. I can't help it. Will try to control.

One can't give such analogies when it comes to something big like an international issue.

If you say that Ahimsa won't work out, even Himsa doesn't. That might give a temporary solution, but, some or the other day, either of the two would fire another dispute between for some stupid reason. I do not think going for a separate country would still solve the issue. Himsa would grab attraction but doesn't solve the matter.

Regarding Kashmir, it all depends on the government. Indian government wants to show the world that they believe in Non-violence. (Atleast, when it comes to Indo-Pak clashes, or any internationl issue for that matter) SL Government doesn't feel so. It all depends on their viewpoint.

Look, I have given the analogy from the pakistani refugee POV (simulating it to Lankan Tamilians) while you see it from the Indian Government POV (equating it to the stand by SL Government at Lanka). Viewpoints differ.

Sandesh said...

Million Dollar Question to all: What were these Tamilians in Sri Lanka doing while the Sinhalese were trying to form the government? Why didnt they oppose then?

Logesh TamilSelvan said...

dude.. you are not at all accepting any facts..
wikipedia is a editable medium.. please find some other valid links.. well you may not find good reference in net.. send me your address in bangalore i will send you some good and authorized books.

Well if you still dont accept some facts..
Tell me wat is sure that Bangalore, Mysore and Mangalore belong to kannadigas? these are the few towns developed in KA. Man, you have to accept the fact, only after Sultan's rule, Kannadigas migrated to these regions. If you refute this! you ave to accept Lemuria too..!

அருண்மொழி said...

//AFAIK, there are two major parties in TN, DMK and AIADMK both headed by lunatic filmy people turned politicians Karunanidhi and Jayalalita respectively//

at least Tamil Nadu is not ruled by Mass Murderers like Modi

அருண்மொழி said...

//We all know that the Sinhalese people are the people staying in Lanka for long, longer than tamilians atleast. AFAIK.//

Wrong

Tamils are the first people to inhabit the island

Srilankans are decendants of Oriya people who came very late

Even a Stamp issued by SL Govt gives this fact

அருண்மொழி said...

//What is the ill-treatment the tamils are facing in Sri Lanka?//

A Tamil cannot become the President or Prime Minister of that country

Same ill treatment in all jobs

Tamil Houses are robbed
Tamil Libraries burned and so on

// Even If they are facing, they have their own country India.//
Their own land is SL only.

// Why dont they return back? back to THEIR tamil nadu?//
The tamils in SL are natural inhabitants of the island. The Sinhalese are the ones who went late

Check your history

அருண்மொழி said...

//You want the Lankan people to evacuate so that they can make room for the tamilians?//
No
Let them live in south
Let the tamilians live in North

// Where should they refuge to? //
Let them live in South where they are living and leave the tamils in north

//Isnt this foolish to any sane thinker?//
Not at all

//Isnt this what the Pakistanis doing up there at Kashmir?//
What is Pakistan doing in Kashmir
Can you tell it properly

And tell what India is doing in Kashmir

அருண்மொழி said...

//You say the tamils are facing problems from the Sinhala Rulers since last three decades.//
Sorry

From Independence
But killings are more in the last three decades

// I searched wiki for LTTE to find it was established in 1976, 33 years back. Does that answer your view?//
How

//Can't it be that due to the activities of LTTE, the Sinhalese government is taking its action to protect the land and its people? //

The fact is that even before LTTE came to existence, the killings were happening

You can ALSO Check the history for this

//After all why should the Sinhalese people kill Tamilians?//
To make the Island as a Singala only nation

// What is the reason behind it?//
To make the Island as a Singala only nation

// What do they gain? Please answer these questions.//
They gain the vast lands cultivated and made fertile by Tamils over the past many centuries

Logesh TamilSelvan said...

//What is the ill-treatment the tamils are facing in Sri Lanka?//

you will only understand when a similar situation happens to you in KA.

அருண்மொழி said...

// You want Sinhalese people to live as a refugee in the north-eas
tern part of Sri Lanka though they belong to the same country? Why? //

Not at all
we want singalese persons living as persons from another country in Norther parts of Island

and

Tamilians as persons from another country in Southern part of country

அருண்மொழி said...

//You continue saying that Tamilians are living as refugees all over the world?//

Yes

What is the doubt over this

அருண்மொழி said...

// Forget the world! Don't they live like normal citizens atleast in Tamil Nadu? //

That is Indian Tamils

Got it

We are talking about Srilankan Tamils

Got it

அருண்மொழி said...

//I see it as a valid comparison.//

So do you compare SL Army with Pakistan and the Pandits of Kashmir with the Eelam Tamils

If so it is a valid comparison. We agree

அருண்மொழி said...

//I'm not convinced with your saying the issue as a freedom struggle.//

So you mean to say that Mandela's action was intrusion

What Gandhi and Subash Chandra Bose and Bhagat Singh and Sarvarkar did were intrusions into British Rule

I admire your intelligence !!!

அருண்மொழி said...

//Tamils living in Sri Lanka could be normal without this hassle if
everybody follow peace is what I believe.//

If Sinhalese gave equal rights, there would be no problem

If Sinhalese do not burn tamil libraries, there would be no problem

If singalese do not bomb their own nations, there would be no problem

But Singales are doing a Genocide
There is the problem

அருண்மொழி said...

//The cancellation of civilization rights might be due to the riots caused by LTTE. Correct me if I'm wrong.//

YOU ARE WRONG

LTTE was born because of cancellation of Civil Rights

Please check the history

1. When did SL become Independent
2. When was LTTE Born
3. Can a Tamilian become the President of PM of SL even before LTTE was born

Why was it like this

Kindly check the history yourself

அருண்மொழி said...

//Again, if you say, Ahimsa didnt work out, its your lack of belief in Ahimsa. Sad that India trained them towards the path of 'Himsa'.//

Ahimsa will work out based on the person at the other end

Ahimsa may work out with Vajpayee, but not with Modi... Got the example

அருண்மொழி said...

//Can't one fight for it non-violently? //

The fight till 1976 was non violent only

But there was no response

The only response were more killings, more lootings and more rapes and more burnings

Then only Armed Struggle was born

அருண்மொழி said...

//On your take with Namratha's comments, you say that 70,000 people were killed in SL in 30 years. Wasnt the LTTE formed by then? Isnt LTTE a cause or atleast a catalyst in those killings indirectly?//

Not at all

If not for LTTE, all Tamilians would have been killed by the Singalese by now

அருண்மொழி said...

//The SL government might have bombed in places where they predicted the LTTE ultras would have stayed//

Not at all

They bombed every where

Logesh TamilSelvan said...

அருண்மொழி.. உங்கள் கூர் பதிலடிகளுக்கு என் நன்றி!
எப்படியோ இவன் நம் பேச்சுக்கு அடங்குவனா என்று தெரியவில்லை..

அருண்மொழி said...

//Sorry If I've hurt your feelings, but I have written what I felt was right and I go by it. //

But when you are given evidence to what is right, you have to accept it

அருண்மொழி said...

//Some people equate Kashmir and SL conflict. I dont think they are equivalent because://

It is equivalent

Tamilians = Kashmiri Pandits
Singalese = Muslims

Now it is equivalent

அருண்மொழி said...

//@ Mani - Correction. wikipedia says LTTE was formed in 1976.//

But it is after 1960

OK

அருண்மொழி said...

//Million Dollar Question to all: What were these Tamilians in Sri Lanka doing while the Sinhalese were trying to form the government? Why didnt they oppose then?//

They are minority
They cannot do much in Democracy

That is why they ask for their own country

சுரேஷ் ஜீவானந்தம் said...

If Gandhi had any reasons to ask for freedom, separate country - same thing could be true with others. Its easy to say shut up and "be united". But, one need to think why should so many put their lives on stake and fight for a cause - of freedom from the Sinhalese? What is wrong in their demand? After all they want to rule their historical land. If you do not know history - go spend time reading before writing bull shit.
I am sorry but your writings are stupid to say the least.

கொற்கை said...

@Regarding your response on i7's comment, are you referring to his blog or mine? He is a GRE pass out! You can't doubt his English. If you are saying that my blogpost consists of grammatical errors, you're free to expose them. Typo errors are coz I'm lazy enough to go through a second look for typo errors. I'm humble enough to accept them. I don't care much about a foreign language i use to make people understand who don't know my language.

“We are here to express our ideas, either for or against, in response to your blog entry. And, you, the blogger, express yours first. As you said, if the reader has understood us, even with all our faulty grammar, to a large extent, if not 100%, why do we need to bother about his English?

You have bothered about that man who wrote with bad grammar. I did not bother about your blog post which does have bad grammar. It is not my intention to ‘expose’ where they are. I have not come here for that. I know English, as you would have by now concluded from reading me, but I don’t dress down people who do not know English. It is like a teacher making fun of his own students. I wont do that. Hence, no ‘exposing’ by me
Please read your respondents, without teasing them about their English.

@Regarding your experience with that person, you said that he spoke Tamil with you? Is he a Kannadiga? May be he is acting so coz of his experiences with tamilians. Even I do have friends who speak Tamil at home. They speak Kannada with me. As said before, there are exceptions everywhere.

“You have astonished me with your ignorance of your own people. Dear Sir, many residents of Banglaore city can speak Tamil, but they wont, for fear of reprisals. Though their mother tongue is Kannada, how come they speak Tamil? Because of the preponderance of Tamil workers among them. This situation is much observed in such fields like cine field, railways and P&T. In Railways where I work, the knowledge of Tamil, spoken variety, I mean, is wide spread because, for many years, right from the British years, Karnataka was with Southern Railways, HQ at Chennai. When the South Central Railway was carved out of SR and CR, with Secunderabad as Hqrs, except Bangalore division, all other parts of Karnataka were annexed to SCR. Thus, I came to live in your state as a SCR man.
It is very common in Railways to see all of us speaking more than one tongue. It depends upon the preponderance of certain people. For e.g in SCR, if it is in AP, the employees speak Telugu and Tamil; if it borders Karnataka, Telugu and Kannada; if it borders Maharastra, Kannada and Marati. I can speak Hindi, Marathi, Kannada, Tamil, Telugu and English somewhat. But I can write only in Hindi, Tamil and English. We, as Railway employees used to bond together during our bachelor days; and thus, we live together, Kannadigas, Tamils, Telugus etc. You are a city guy born during this time when the hatred of Tamilians has been injected in you by politicians’ propaganda. Life is different elsewhere, which you have not seen. Travel to Railway colony and hear which are the languages spoken there. You can hear all southern languages.

Tamil is much spoken among Kannada RC Christians, because many Church fathers come from Tamil Nadu.

We are broad-minded people in Railways because our lives within Railway colony is different from your sophisticated life. We share the same destiny and our problems are similar. More sophistication kills innocence and the sophisticated people like you fall victim to xenophobia. But we, the less educated, retain our innocence life long.

@Anybody loving their language is normal. But dominating is what I oppose. You see such domination here in Karnataka a lot. I shall not discuss about the domination again here. Kindly go through some of the posts I wrote on Kannada.

“Here you are echoing my own point. I am strongly for Kannadigas when they feel that they are being dominated by outsiders; and their language is being submerged. You should protect and preserve not only your language; but also, the employment opportunities for your people.
But whenever an attack is made on Tamils in Karnatka, you spare the white-collar workers – these Tamil fellows have high political connections, so you are afraid to touch them – but you bash up the Tamil coolies and they run to Hosur border. Why are you doing that? They come to clean your streets, construct your building, your roads and make life comfortable for you. They live by the sweat of their brows. They don't cheat you. Why are you beating them?

In an outdoor shoot of a Kannada file, produced and starred by Rajkumar’s actor son, Vattal Nagaraj’s men bashed up the coolie workers there – like extras, light boys etc. because they spoke Tamil. Rajkumar’s son told the journalists: ‘Without them, I cant do any work; and my film wont release. I have brought them from Kodambakkam, as I could not get Kannadigas. What harm have they done to Karnataka?”

My point is that you are bashing up people who came to help you; and, without them, Kannada film industry will come to stand still. If you don't want them, bring your own people. If you want them to speak Kannada, adopt their children and take Kannada classes, as the father of Sachin Tendulkar took Marati classes in Dharavai slums for Tamil children of that slum.

@I don't believe in things like classical language stature, though I'm happy that Kannada is considered one. I'm indifferent.

"No, don’t say that please. Becoming interested means encouraging authors. New literature should be added; if not, your language will soon become old fashioned; and she may even be given up by Kannadigas. Always beware of the enemy ready to eat you: ENGLISH.

The money from central government is to encourage authors also. I like Kannada writers because, unlike modern Tamil writers, who lick the feet of the rich and spit upon the poor, your writers wrote about neglected people. I am referring to Shivrama Karanth’s novels and your many directors like G.V.Iyer. Your saint-poets wrote about egalitarian bhakti poetry attacking caste and other differences.

@One more thing, how should I refer you? Please leave your name in English.

"I am not computer savvy. I could have changed to English when I wrote to you. I couldn't. Will do later. So, my name appears in Tamil, giving a false impression to anyone that I am forcing Tamil upon you. My name is koRkai, the ancient port city of Pandiyan kingdom far down the south from where I hail.

I shall write to you later on Srilankan Tamils.

Meantime, I request all my Tamil SL friends writing here to patiently explain to our blogger-friend the genesis, the germination, the gestation and the difficult course of your struggle. Our friend will definitely lend his ears to us. He needs to be told all. A friend like is our valuable asset.

vinesh said...

Your blog is very nice... i like your blog ....
Madurai Hotels, Pollachi Hotels

Sandesh Karanth said...

@JAYPEE66... Hehe! your name says a lot abt you... go PEE. you describe yourself n yo cult in yo comments... DILLIGAS abt yo stupid comments? I dont find it valuable even in the dustbin...

move on...